Participation in a podcast episode of Economics for Rebels, hosted by Alexanra Köves. Ecological economics is about socio-ecological transformation. Once we realise that current institutions, norms, and narratives must change, the overarching question remains: how can we change them? Erik Olin Wright was an American sociologist whose work on transforming into post-capitalist societies have impacted many who deal with transcending the mainstream framework. Today’s guest, Ekaterina Chertkovskaya builds on Wright’s ideas when drawing up what she calls a “strategic canvas for Degrowth”. In this episode, we will explore this canvas that appears in a book called Degrowth & Strategy: how to bring about social-ecological transformation coming out in June 2022. If you are interested in the book, please check out this website: https://www.degrowthstrategy.org/.